Overdriving and AGC
TLDR; In Amateur Radio, if your reply to a critique of your clipped modulation (overdriven) is “….turn on your AGC.” and that’s the only way to “fix” your transmission, you’re wrong, that’s just selfish and narcissistic behavior. I am not trying to be a “know it all”. In fact, I contacted the person I was trying to help through email and I did not mention the issue in the open, on the air, with the group. The person I had dealings with brought it up over the air and made a point to tell me to “turn on your AGC.” as a fix for THEIR PROBLEM. In turn, folks like this have influenced others in their group (not all others, but a few) that this is the correct way of doing things and that could not be further from the truth. Is it a way of fixing the issue? Yes. Is it the right way? Absolutely not!
This entire blog entry took me all of 30 minutes to formulate and write, don’t give me that boomer response of “….you have too much time on your hands.” Use your fucking brain and think about stuff and don’t let your emotions or contrarianism influence your behavior. Yeah, good luck with that.
Sigh. Anyway…..
Granted, if you’re within a city block of someone else and they appear to be overdriving, I can see where some sort of decrease of RF gain on the receiver’s end may be needed because the close TX station can’t decrease enough and still be hearable by distant stations. But if you’re 100-200 miles away from someone and your audio signal is clipping to the RX station without AGC, YOU ARE OVERDRIVING YOUR SYSTEM.
Again, I don’t know why people feel the need to crank up their legal limit amplifiers for conversations with a group that are all within 200 miles of each other during normal operating conditions. My thoughts on this aren’t because I lack a legal limit amplifier. I’ve had amps, I just find that I can make the contacts (252 DX entities to date, with around 130 of those coming since I began taking DX’ing seriously 3 years ago) with 100 watts or less. Any argument or thought that boils down to “…..having a legal limit amplifier makes me a better ham radio operator than a 100 watt guy.” is of course, classic narcissism.
First, an amateur radio station in the United States is only authorized to use the minimal amount of power necessary to conduct a QSO.
FCC rule 47 CFR § 97.313(a) legally requires all amateur radio operators to use the minimum transmitter power necessary to maintain a clear and reliable conversation. Maxing out your output power (such as running the legal limit of \(1.5 \text{ kW}\)) when a much lower wattage would suffice is a direct violation of FCC regulations. [1, 2, 3]This mandatory rule promotes “good neighbor” operations, prevents unnecessary signal interference, and directly ties into FCC RF exposure safety requirements. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]Here are the key details to keep in mind regarding this rule:
- Signal Reports (S-Units): Base your transmit power on the signal report (RST or S-meter reading) you get from the other operator. If they are already copying you perfectly (e.g., an \(S9\) signal), you should dial your power down. [1, 2]
- Power vs. Clarity: The rule applies strictly to the power required to carry out desired communications. If atmospheric conditions degrade and you need more power to be understood, increasing your output is perfectly legal, provided you remain below your license’s maximum allowed limits. [1, 2]
- General Power Ceilings: While you must use the minimum amount, your station’s output can never exceed your license privileges (e.g., a General or Extra Class maximum of \(1.5 \text{ kW}\) Peak Envelope Power (PEP), or a Technician Class maximum of \(200 \text{ W}\) PEP on most HF bands).
If I, with 100 watts (or less), can have said QSO with someone, they do not need legal limit amplification to have said QSO.
Second, when a waveform of a transmission’s audio looks like this, you’re overdriving and putting the burden of cleaning up the signal on the receiver. Folks, that’s just selfish and narcissistic behavior.![]()
Here’s a few reasons why this is selfish and narcissistic:
- You’re pushing the “fix” onto someone else, which;
- Calls for the receiving station to be of a certain quality, having the ability to turn on AGC, in order to hear and understand your transmission. Not all radios have AGC. Regardless of what YOU think or what YOU have, other stations may not have the ability, which in turn will cause you to continue the argument with:
- If they can’t hear me, that’s their problem. Completely narcissistic (and selfish).
- Calling for anyone to do something in order to make your product appear “right”, is of course, absolutely and totally WRONG.
- Arguing that this isn’t being narcissistic is in itself, narcissistic. Backing those kind of friends that exhibit this behavior is enabling the narcissist, for whatever reason.
- Considering the standard practice for FT8 ops has been, from the onset, no AGC for FT8 reception. FT8 was developed by Nobel Prize-winning physicist and radio astronomer Dr. Joe Taylor (call sign K1JT) and Dr. Steve Franke (call sign K9AN) – Tell me again why you think you know more about FT8 than they do? A FUCKING PHYSICIST recommends NO AGC for FT8 reception. What’s your CV? 40 years of “..but that’s how we do things.” lol.
Speaking of AGC – Here’s what the interswebs says about AGC vs. FT8.
Turning off AGC for FT8 helps prevent strong signals from overwhelming weaker ones, improving decoding performance. This setting allows for better control over signal levels, especially in crowded frequency bands.
Benefits of Turning Off AGC for FT8
Turning off Automatic Gain Control (AGC) when using FT8 can significantly enhance your digital communication experience. Here are the main reasons:
Improved Signal Decoding
- Prevents Overwhelming Signals: With AGC off, strong signals do not overpower weaker ones. This is crucial in crowded bands where multiple signals are present.
- Better Control: You gain more control over the signal levels, allowing for clearer decoding of weaker signals that might otherwise be lost.
Enhanced Performance in Crowded Conditions
- Reduces Signal Pumping: AGC can cause strong adjacent signals to “pump” the gain, leading to poor decoding. Turning it off helps maintain a stable decoding environment.
- Optimized for Digital Modes: Digital modes like FT8 require precise signal processing. AGC can introduce unwanted variations that hinder performance.
Recommended Settings
When using FT8, consider the following settings for optimal performance:
Setting Recommended Value AGC Off AGC-T (Threshold) Adjust to prevent overload, typically around 20-30 when quiet RF Gain Wide open Preamp Off
By following these guidelines, you can enhance your FT8 operation, ensuring that you effectively decode signals even in challenging conditions.
Further,
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- SSB lacks a continuous carrier wave.
- The signal strength drops to zero during pauses in speech.
- The AGC sees this drop and maxes out the receiver gain.
- This causes background static to rush forward loudly between words.
- Operators call this annoying effect “noise pumping.”
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- AGC adjusts gain based on the strongest signal in the receiver’s passband.
- A strong, nearby station will trigger the AGC to lower the gain.
- This action crushes the weaker SSB station you are actually trying to hear.
- The weak signal will fade out whenever the strong station transmits.
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- Fast AGC settings constantly adjust gain mid-syllable.
- This rapid modulation distorts the natural rise and fall of human speech.
- The audio becomes choppy and much harder for your brain to decode.
- Use Slow AGC: This keeps the gain stable during natural pauses in speech.
- Turn AGC Off for Weak Signals: Use manual RF Gain control instead to pull weak stations out of the mud.





